TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

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             In Re:

             LANDS OF RODRIGUEZ (2004-15)
             Public Hearing - 2 Lot Subdivision
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                                          Thursday - 7:00 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:

                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD C. BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant
                     KEN WERSTED, Traffic Consultant

                     CRAIG MARTI, P.E.
                     Representing the Applicant



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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I'd like to welcome

         3         everyone to the Town of Newburgh Planning Board

         4         meeting of the 8th of September.  We'll call the

         5         meeting officially to order with a roll call vote

         6         starting with Frank.

         7                      MR. GALLI:  Present.

         8                      MR. BROWNE:  Present.

         9                      MR. MENNERICH:  Here.

        10                      MR. PROFACI:  Here.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, present.

        12                      The Town of Newburgh Planning Board is

        13         represented by a group of professionals who make

        14         recommendation to the planning board.  At this time

        15         they'll introduce themselves.

        16                      MR. DONNELLY:  Michael Donnelly,

        17         planning board attorney.

        18                      MR. GARLING:  Ed Garling, planning

        19         board consultant to the planning board.

        20                      MR. COCKS:  Bryant Cocks, planner,

        21         Garling Associates.

        22                      MR. HINES:  Pat Hines with McGoey,

        23         Hauser & Edsall, consulting engineers.

        24                      MS. ARENT:  Karen Arent, landscape

        25         consultant.


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         2                      MR. WERSTED:  Ken Wersted, Creighton

         3         Manning Engineering, traffic consultants.

         4                      MRS. JACOBSEN:  Norma Jacobsen,

         5         secretary to the planning board.

         6                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Before we open the

         7         meeting to official business I'll ask Frank to lead

         8         the board.

         9                      (Pledge of Allegiance is said by all.)

        10                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  The first item of

        11         business this evening is the Lands of Rodriguez.

        12         It's a public hearing for a two lot subdivision.

        13         The property is in the RR zone.  It's being

        14         represented by Craig Marti.  I'll ask Mr. Mennerich

        15         to read the Notice of Hearing.

        16                      MR. MENNERICH:  Notice of Hearing, Town

        17         of Newburgh Planning Board.  Please Take Notice that

        18         the Planning Board of the Town of Newburgh, Orange

        19         County, New York, will hold a public hearing

        20         pursuant to Section 276 of the Town law on the

        21         application of Lands of Christine Rodriguez for a

        22         two lot subdivision on premises, Mountain View

        23         Avenue in Town of Newburgh, designated on Town Tax

        24         Map as Section 4, Block 1, Lot 48.2 and 48.3, zone

        25         RR.  Said hearing will be held the 8th day of


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         2         September 2005 at the Town Hall Meeting Room, 1496

         3         Route 300, Newburgh, New York, at seven p.m., at

         4         which time all interested persons will be given an

         5         opportunity to be heard.  By Order of the Planning

         6         Board of the Town of Newburgh, John P. Ewasutyn

         7         Chairman, Planning Board, Town of Newburgh, dated

         8         August 18th, 2005.

         9                      MS. JACOBSEN:  Mr. Chairman, the

        10         applicant's representatives sent nine notices

        11         registered mail out and seven receipts were returned

        12         signed.  The Notice of Hearing was published in the

        13         Mid-Hudson Times on August 31st and in the Sentinel

        14         on September the 2nd, 2005.  The mailings and the

        15         Notice of Hearing are all in order.  Thank you.

        16                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Thank you, Norma.

        17                      Mr. Marti?

        18                      MR. MARTI:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

        19                      For the record my name is Craig Marti.

        20         I'm with Valdina and Marti Surveying here in

        21         Newburgh.

        22                      The project we're presenting here

        23         tonight consists of properties owned by Christine

        24         Rodriguez, which are currently designated as a tax

        25         map parcel on Lot Number 48.3 and 48.2.  Tax map


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         2         parcel numbers which were assigned in 1974, however,

         3         as Mrs. Rodriguez purchased the property and

         4         attempted to build on the larger of the two lot

         5         parcels, it became apparent or evident that there

         6         was no formal subdivision of the land and the tax

         7         map parcels or assignments were actually done

         8         without proper authorization and proper subdivision

         9         of the property.

        10                      In response to this board, we've gone

        11         to the Zoning Board of Appeals for the appropriate

        12         area variances consisting of lot areas and the vary

        13         various setback variances which are required to

        14         modify the lot lines as they're designated on the

        15         tax maps such that the smaller portion within an

        16         existing residential structure becomes larger in

        17         size.  We will utilize an existing stone wall as a

        18         proposed property line and the lot in the back is

        19         proposed to have a new house served by on-site well

        20         and septic system.  Both lots will have a common

        21         drive which enters onto Mountain Avenue.  The

        22         driveway area easement agreements have been prepared

        23         or are being prepared by the applicant's attorney

        24         and will be satisfied with regards to any comments

        25         of the town's planning -- legal counsel.  And the


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         2         subdivision map has been revised to reflect the

         3         determination by the Zoning Board of Appeals and the

         4         appropriate area variances which are requested.

         5                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Thank you.  Is

         6         there anyone here this evening who has comments on

         7         the proposed two lot subdivision?

         8                      (No response.)

         9                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Then I'll turn it

        10         over to our consultants for their final comments.

        11         Ed?

        12                      MR. GARLING:  Craig, we're going to

        13         need another copy of the plan.  We saw the copy Pat

        14         has and I believe our comments have been addressed.

        15         The variance, it's noted.  Was there anything else?

        16                      MR. COCKS:  No.

        17                      MR. GARLING:  That's it.

        18                      MR. MARTI:  Note six was added to refer

        19         to the appropriate ZBA --

        20                      MR. GARLING:  And you moved the septic.

        21                      MR. MARTI:  Yes, we had adjusted that

        22         in response to Pat's prior comment.

        23                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Pat, do you have

        24         any other comments?

        25                      MR. HINES:  The septic has been


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         2         modified per our comments and the access and

         3         maintenance agreements for the driveway are

         4         outstanding.  That's all.

         5                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  Turn it over

         6         to board members for their final comments.  Frank?

         7                      MR. GALLI:  No additional comment.

         8                      MR. MENNERICH:  No questions.

         9                      MR. O'DONNELL:  No.

        10                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Does the driveway

        12         have to have a name to it?

        13                      MR. MARTI:  I don't believe with the

        14         two lots it would need a name.  If there's a

        15         requirement, I could take it up to the town board.

        16                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Does anyone know?

        17                      MR. HINES:  Common driveways are not.

        18                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I wasn't sure of

        19         that.

        20                      I move for a motion from the board,

        21         then, to close the public hearing for the two lot

        22         subdivision, Lands of Rodriguez.

        23                      MR. MENNERICH:  So moved.

        24                      MR. GALLI:  Second.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by


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         2         Ken.  I have a second by Frank.  Any discussion on

         3         the motion?  I'll ask for roll call vote starting

         4         with Frank.

         5                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

         6                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

         7                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

         8                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

         9                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

        10                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, so carried.

        11                      Would you comment, Mike, on what the

        12         resolution would require?

        13                      MR. DONNELLY:  I believe there should

        14         be three conditions.  First will be reference to the

        15         variance granted by the ZBA in July of this year.

        16         The second was the requirement Craig mentioned

        17         already, the review of a common driveway easement

        18         and maintenance agreement, and the third is a

        19         requirement of the payment of parkland fees but I

        20         think there should be a fee for only the one new

        21         lot.  The other lot already has a home on it and I

        22         would place that single lot condition.

        23                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Thank you.  Having

        24         heard the condition for approval, I would move for a

        25         motion to approve the two lot subdivision.


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         2                      MR. O'DONNELL:  So moved.

         3                      MR. PROFACI:  Second.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

         5         Ed.  I have a second by Joe.  Any discussion on the

         6         motion?  I'll ask for a roll call vote starting with

         7         Frank.

         8                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

         9                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

        10                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

        11                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

        12                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  And myself, yes, so

        14         carried.  Thank you.

        15                      MR. MARTI:  Thank you.

        16                      (Time noted:  7:08 p.m.)

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                                C_E_R_T_I_F_I_C_A_T_I_O_N
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                                I, Charlene Koehler, a Certified

                       Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public do hereby

                       CERTIFY that I recorded stenographically the

                       proceedings herein, at the time and place noted

                       in the heading hereof, and that the foregoing is

                       an accurate and complete transcript of same, to

                       the best of my knowledge and belief.




                                         ___________________________
                                         Charlene Koehler



                   Dated:  September 26, 2005








             TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

             -------------------------------------X
             In Re:

             NINE ROCK CUT ROAD, LLC (2004-48)
             Conceptual Site Plan
             -------------------------------------X

                                          Thursday - 7:09 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:

                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant
                     KEN WERSTED, Traffic Consultant

                     KEN LYTLE, Zen Design Consultants
                     Representing the Applicant



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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  The following item

         3         of business this evening is the conceptual site plan

         4         for Nine Rock Cut Road, LLC.  It's located in an IB

         5         zone.  It's on Rock Cut Road and it's being

         6         represented by Ken Lytle.

         7                      Ken, could you turn that easel somewhat

         8         now for us?

         9                      MR. LYTLE:  Since the last time we were

        10         here we had two separate buildings going back and

        11         forth with the consultants at workshops.  We've

        12         actually come to the determination that a single

        13         building would work better and service the site

        14         better.  We're proposing one two-story building,

        15         16,000 square feet.  We actually modified the

        16         parking lot in order to accommodate the additional

        17         parking we need for the additional square footage.

        18                      We also modified the septic to handle

        19         the flow from the additional increase in the size of

        20         the building.  We had comments regarding the

        21         adjoining wells.  We actually added those to the

        22         map.  Also the drainage swale between the properties

        23         have been added to the map and depicting off of our

        24         property.  The drainage system has been proposed to

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         2         corner.  Again still staying outside of the wetland

         3         buffer.

         4                      If the board has any comments?

         5                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  We discussed the

         6         project during our work session.  It was our

         7         understanding that you're looking for conceptual

         8         approval so you could move forward with the

         9         necessary stormwater management report and go

        10         forward with that.  Keeping that thought in mind,

        11         we'll begin to discuss the conceptual approval

        12         process and the consideration of a work session to

        13         fine-tune it.

        14                      Pat, you want to begin just roughly

        15         what you'll need eventually?

        16                      MR. HINES:  Obviously the conceptual

        17         plan, we'll need a stormwater management report.

        18         The septic system as proposed will need approval

        19         from the health department due to the design flow.

        20         We need to check the filling in the area of the

        21         septic system.  The DEC buffer line certification, I

        22         don't have a copy of that in the file.

        23                      MR. LYTLE:  We'll get it to you.

        24                      MR. HINES:  We have some design

        25         details, percolation deep tests need to be shown,


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         2         drainage structures and inverts.  Just noted that

         3         the building did not receive a sprinkler variance or

         4         septic system for that will be required.  Access

         5         drive requires an Orange County D.P.W. permit.  We

         6         need to look -- a culvert will be needed at that

         7         access drive.  Septic system in expansion areas

         8         required 100 percent expansion for commercial use.

         9         Dumpster location needs to be shown on the plans,

        10         realizing the plans are conceptual at this time and

        11         there's some work to be done.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed, do you have

        13         anything you want to provide some comments now as

        14         far as what may need to be improved upon for the

        15         conceptual?

        16                      MR. GARLING:  I think what I wanted to

        17         go over was more what we discussed at the work

        18         session, rather than some of our comments which are

        19         just on this plan.

        20                      I think that there was a decision about

        21         the additional landscaping.  We had the conversation

        22         before about moving the building forward and

        23         parallel to the road, which we would really all like

        24         to see, but the other issue of enlarging the

        25         building, what we were trying to resolve previously


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         2         was too much of the site was used, so you didn't

         3         have enough room for the septic and detention and

         4         everything else.  Now, because you've got additional

         5         square footage, there's more parking.  I think we

         6         can work something out, perhaps with the zoning, in

         7         the parking area's requirements.  If you can show us

         8         what of that is common area and not really office, I

         9         think we could reduce some of that parking.  But

        10         we're going to have to see some more design to move

        11         that building around or do something with it to

        12         perhaps put a facade on the road of some sort.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  The possibility of

        14         the work session was, and Karen will speak about

        15         that also in lieu of what Ed is saying, you may be

        16         able to reduce the number of parking spaces, in

        17         which case, Karen will talk about the additional

        18         landscaping, to sort of balance the visual look of

        19         the building along Rock Cut Road.

        20                      Karen?

        21                      MS. ARENT:  One of the things we're

        22         trying to do in the town is screen the parking from

        23         the road, so by reducing some of the -- reducing the

        24         need for some of the parking spaces will help get

        25         you some more landscaping area.  Also, your aisle


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         2         widths are much larger than what the town's

         3         requirements are.  You want to talk specific

         4         numbers.

         5                      MR. LYTLE:  24.

         6                      MS. ARENT:  Well, there's 34 foot

         7         aisles and 37 foot aisles in the back.  I'm doing

         8         this out of memory.

         9                      MR. LYTLE:  34.

        10                      MS. ARENT:  Sorry.  They should be only

        11         24 to conform to the town specs.  So we pick up ten

        12         more feet there so you can do some nice landscaping,

        13         if you still want to keep your building to the side,

        14         that's one of the things we would like to see is,

        15         you know, from the road, screen the parking area.

        16         And we have to work on the landscaping, of course.

        17         For example, there's one area where you have about,

        18         in a 50-foot by three six area you have three

        19         perennials and four grasses and you could even put

        20         that much in this side of this table right there.

        21         So we need to make it a little more.

        22                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Turn it over to

        23         board members for their comments.  Frank?

        24                      MR. GALLI:  You're doing a larger

        25         building because of the elevator.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Cliff?

         3                      MR. BROWNE:  From a concept standpoint

         4         what you're showing is acceptable, but I would like

         5         to maybe change some things around a little bit.

         6         From the concept standpoint right now, it's fine.

         7                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken?

         8                      MR. MENNERICH:  Ken, on sheet one of

         9         seven where your location map is, there's no roads

        10         labeled on there.  I think it would help if there

        11         was labels, some of the major roads be labeled near

        12         the site.  That's all.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed?

        14                      MR. O'DONNELL:  I wasn't at that work

        15         session.  We came in together.  This was a project

        16         that you were looking for one-story structure --

        17                      MR. LYTLE:  Two one-story structures.

        18                      MR. O'DONNELL:  So you moved that

        19         around and now you have one two-story building.

        20                      MR. LYTLE:  That's right.

        21                      MR. O'DONNELL:  What's the square

        22         footage compared to this one?

        23                      MR. LYTLE:  Before we were proposing

        24         two buildings totalling around 12,000 square feet.

        25         Now we have one building totalling 16,000 square


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         2         feet.

         3                      MR. O'DONNELL:  So if you can make the

         4         changes we can reduce the parking side of the

         5         island, increase the landscaping, make the place

         6         look beautiful, right?

         7                      MS. ARENT:  That's what we're trying.

         8                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Why don't we have this

         9         guy and these people sit down and figure out how to

        10         do it so we can stop wasting our time and have them

        11         do it?

        12                      MR. PROFACI:  That's all.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I'll move for a

        14         motion to grant conceptual approval to Nine Rock Cut

        15         Road and set this up for the next consultant's

        16         meeting.

        17                      MR. GALLI:  So moved.

        18                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Second.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

        20         Frank and second by Ed.  Any discussion on the

        21         motion?  I'll ask for roll call vote starting with

        22         Frank.

        23                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

        24                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

        25                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.


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         2                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

         3                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, carried.

         5                      Ed, there's one thing I'm not sure we

         6         completed on this.  Did we refer this to the Orange

         7         County Planning Department?  My notes don't have it.

         8                      MR. HINES:  I don't think so.

         9                      MR. GARLING:  I think we didn't do it

        10         because --

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  We're waiting for

        12         conceptual.

        13                      MR. GARLING:  Trying to get a

        14         conceptual.

        15                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Then I move for a

        16         motion to refer this to the Orange County Planning

        17         Department.

        18                      MR. GALLI:  So moved.

        19                      MR. MENNERICH:  Second.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

        21         Frank and a second by Ken.  I'll ask for roll call

        22         vote starting with Frank.

        23                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

        24                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

        25                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.


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         2                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

         3                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, yes, so

         5         carried.

         6                      What you'll do is submit plans to Norma

         7         and Norma will make it a point, or Ed, do you want

         8         to send them out or Norma?  How do you want to do

         9         that?  Let's get a standard procedure on this.

        10                      MR. GARLING:  Are we going to start

        11         Lead Agency?

        12                      MR. DONNELLY:  We did that.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  We did that

        14         already.

        15                      MR. GARLING:  If we're going to start

        16         Lead Agency --

        17                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  So twelve two --

        18                      MR. GARLING:  I know, but in sending it

        19         out, I would rather do it because then it's a

        20         central matter.  If we're going to do it now, give

        21         it to Norma, she can send a form over.

        22                      MRS. JACOBSEN:  The plans and --

        23                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I see what you're

        24         saying, if we're doing it combined then you'll take

        25         it.


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         2                      MR. GARLING:  Yes.

         3                      MR. LYTLE:  Okay.  Thanks.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  And you'll speak to

         5         Ed Garling as to when the next meeting is.

         6                      MR. LYTLE:  Thanks.

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                                I, Charlene Koehler, a Certified

                       Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public do hereby

                       CERTIFY that I recorded stenographically the

                       proceedings herein, at the time and place noted

                       in the heading hereof, and that the foregoing is

                       an accurate and complete transcript of same, to

                       the best of my knowledge and belief.




                                         ___________________________
                                         Charlene Koehler





                   Dated:  September 26, 2005








             TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

             -------------------------------------X
             In Re:

             ARMISTEAD MECHANICAL (2005-8)
             Architectural Review, Site Plan
             -------------------------------------X

                                          Thursday - 7:19 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:

                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD C. BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant
                     KEN WERSTED, Traffic Consultant

                     JAMES RAAB
                     Representing the Applicant



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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  The next item of

         3         business we have is Armstead Mechanical.  It's

         4         located in B zone on North Plank Road.  It's here

         5         this evening for architectural review and site plan

         6         review and it's being represented by by Jim Raab.

         7                      Jim, let's start out with the

         8         architectural first.

         9                      MR. RAAB:  Sure.

        10                      I'm joined tonight by Bill Pendergast,

        11         the architect for the building.  He'll do the

        12         presentation for the architectural.

        13                      MR. PENDERGAST:  Good evening.

        14         Basically, what we have are the two buildings on the

        15         site.  The new building which is proposed for the

        16         front, two-story small curved canopy at the front

        17         and the four elevations.  Green roof, some green

        18         accents, gray concrete block split face, base to set

        19         it up off the ground.  It will be metal siding, sort

        20         of a beigey gray color and the existing building,

        21         which we're putting a small extension on, proposing

        22         to do that, it's going to match the color of the

        23         existing building, so we thought it was good to not

        24         match the two buildings, sort of mix the colors up a

        25         little bit, compliment the site a little better.  We


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         2         have a lot of grass lawn on the main roads; does

         3         have loading docks and drive-in, too, on the left

         4         side of the building and some back out of the right

         5         side of the building.  The rear which faces this

         6         building will be blank wall because that's mostly

         7         warehouse.  I brought some samples of the materials

         8         so if you'd like to take a look at those I can pass

         9         those around as well.

        10                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Why don't you pass

        11         those around?  There was one comment, Jim, that Pat

        12         was questioning when he was looking at this.  Pat,

        13         you want to speak to that?

        14                      MR. HINES:  The right side elevations

        15         you have on the top corner there?

        16                      MR. PENDERGAST:  Yes.

        17                      MR. HINES:  That conflicts with the

        18         grading plan.  You show a stairway and what looks

        19         like a retaining wall.  The grading on the plan is

        20         actually a gentle slope from the front to the

        21         rear --

        22                      MR. PENDERGAST:  We'll have to adjust

        23         that.  We did some of the elevations before we had

        24         the final grading plan.  We know we may need an exit

        25         out back.  We can adjust the exterior stair, come


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         2         down a little further if the grading changes.

         3                      MR. HINES:  Are you changing the

         4         grading or the building design is the question?

         5                      MR. PENDERGAST:  Well, we would just

         6         adjust, if the grade is more of a gentle slope, at

         7         one time I think we had thought about putting in a

         8         retaining wall.  I think Jim worked out the grade to

         9         be a more gradual slope.  So, if anything, we'll

        10         have to take a very longer stair coming out.

        11         Essentially, it will be the same look, just a longer

        12         run.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Can I make a

        14         suggestion?  Can you put up the side plan and have

        15         Pat come forward so we have a clear understanding of

        16         what we're discussing?

        17                      MR. RAAB:  Could you bring over the

        18         set?  I don't have a grading plan with me.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  You want to come

        20         back next month?

        21                      MR. RAAB:  No.

        22                      MR. HINES:  The concern was, I had the

        23         plan out, when we were doing the architectural.  The

        24         grading here is smooth transition, goes up six feet

        25         to the rear.  I think you're showing here a


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         2         retaining wall and a grade back.  This here.

         3                      MR. RAAB:  Right.

         4                      MR. HINES:  You're going to revise your

         5         architecture.

         6                      MR. PENDERGAST:  It will essentially be

         7         the same.  It just won't be retaining wall.

         8                      MR. RAAB:  It will come down, slope

         9         down like this and the stairway back like that.

        10                      MR. PENDERGAST:  Because the grade

        11         actually, the finished floor is at 431, the finished

        12         floor, second floor, well, that's the intermittent

        13         floor, that's the warehouse floor.  This would be

        14         442.  Grades at 432 so the stair would run down

        15         about ten feet.  What we were also contemplating

        16         doing when this was done after the grading changed

        17         in here was to move this door over into the

        18         warehouse area, at the stair interior and come out

        19         to grade the rest.  The thing that might get

        20         eliminated, either the stair is going to be a little

        21         longer or just take the stair off.  I don't think

        22         you really see it from the tree line that's here, I

        23         don't think it affects the architecture.

        24                      MR. HINES:  I want to make sure we

        25         didn't have a retaining wall where it shouldn't be.


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         2                      MR. RAAB:  When we submit the final

         3         plan we'll submit the corrected elevations with it.

         4                      MR. PENDERGAST:  Sure, no problem.

         5                      MR. GARLING:  There's no stairs on the

         6         plans.

         7                      MR. HINES:  Right.  That's what caught

         8         my attention initially.  Then they said there's no

         9         wall.

        10                      MR. RAAB:  We'll put the stairs

        11         wherever they put the stairs.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Do you have an

        13         understanding in the final resolution what you might

        14         be making an approval on?

        15                      MR. DONNELLY:  I think it will have to

        16         be a sign-off from Pat.  The architecturals and site

        17         plan have to be coordinated.

        18                      MR. RAAB:  Not a problem.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Karen, you reviewed

        20         the architectural renderings.  You want to come

        21         forward?  I think your conclusion was you were

        22         recommending to the board that you could move

        23         forward with ARB approval, and we discussed the

        24         issue of the canopy and that will be modified.

        25                      MS. ARENT:  One inconsistency I found


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         2         on the site plan versus the architecturals was that

         3         this canopy extends out seven and-a-half feet

         4         instead of four and-a-half feet where the parking

         5         lot starts.  And the architect sent a note saying

         6         that he can reduce the amount that this extends out,

         7         I'm sorry, it's here, the amount that it extends

         8         out, only extends out four feet and he feels it's

         9         not going to make an appreciative difference in the

        10         slope of the canopy.  And that, I think that, I

        11         don't think it will make that big of a difference.

        12         One thing we may want is, I don't have anything with

        13         the materials labeled on it at all, just the

        14         sketches, that's the only thing we might want to ask

        15         for that.

        16                      MR. PENDERGAST:  We can do that.  I

        17         brought the samples of the materials tonight as

        18         examples.  We can use that.  I did bring a copy, we

        19         revised the canopy.  Basically it changes the pitch

        20         to a seven on 12 which I think proportionately it

        21         might be better in proportions to the building it

        22         might be fine.

        23                      MS. ARENT:  I think that this looks

        24         like -- this building you hardly see from the road.

        25         So I don't think it makes a big difference what


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         2         color it is.  It's set way back so you could hardly

         3         see it.  This way you'll see mostly ...

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Taking comments now

         5         from the board on the architecture.  Frank?

         6                      MR. GALLI:  Karen, you mentioned

         7         something in the workshop about a fence.

         8                      MS. ARENT:  Yes, that's site plan.

         9                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Any comments on the

        10         ARB, Frank?

        11                      MR. GALLI:  No.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Cliff?

        13                      MR. BROWNE:  No.

        14                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken?

        15                      MR. MENNERICH:  There was two colored

        16         split blocks.  I guess I missed.  Where would the

        17         two different colors be used?

        18                      MR. PENDERGAST:  There's only one to --

        19         you mean these.  What happens, the shade varies so I

        20         brought them both.  When you get the block, it

        21         varies a little bit.  It's just the beige.  Base and

        22         it will have a color range.  Mixture of color it may

        23         have.  It usually has a range that they ship them in

        24         and you get a little blend of color.

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         2         two.

         3                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed?

         4                      MR. O'DONNELL:  This front of the

         5         building faces what, 300?

         6                      MS. ARENT:  32.

         7                      MR. GALLI:  32.

         8                      MR. PENDERGAST:  The front elevation.

         9                      MS. ARENT:  And this is the front

        10         elevation.

        11                      MR. PENDERGAST:  Correct.

        12                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Wasn't there a new cut

        13         that's made there?  And there's a stone wall that

        14         this building does not face that?

        15                      MS. ARENT:  There's the stone wall, the

        16         block and the stone wall is right here on this

        17         building.  Do you want the site plan?

        18                      Here's the stone wall and this building

        19         right here is this building here and then this

        20         building is this one.

        21                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Okay.

        22                      MS. ARENT:  The one thing we might want

        23         to think about is just making this canopy that,

        24         unless it's already there.

        25                      MR. PENDERGAST:  It's already there.


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         2         It's actually dirt colors.

         3                      MS. ARENT:  Okay.

         4                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Okay.  I like it.

         5                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Joe?

         6                      MR. PROFACI:  Just to verify, the roof

         7         is a standing seam metal roof.

         8                      MR. PENDERGAST:  Yes, standing seam,

         9         not just corrugated metal roof.  And as Karen said,

        10         we'll label the materials as standing seam metal,

        11         split face block.  It will be a ribbed metal siding,

        12         not completely smooth.  We'll label all those

        13         materials and give you color designations.

        14                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Karen, what will

        15         you require, then, just to complete this?

        16                      MS. ARENT:  The revised architectural

        17         drawing showing the slope here and the smaller

        18         canopy and all materials labeled on the drawing.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Having heard from

        20         Karen on the conditions of architectural approval --

        21                      MR. PENDERGAST:  No problem.

        22                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  -- I move for a

        23         motion.

        24                      MR. GALLI:  I'll make the motion.

        25                      MR. PROFACI:  Second.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

         3         Frank and second by Joe.  Any discussion on the

         4         motion?  I'll ask for roll call vote starting with

         5         Frank.

         6                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

         7                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

         8                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

         9                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

        10                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, so carried.

        12                      Jim, now if we could move for final

        13         site plan approval and go through what's outstanding

        14         with that.

        15                      MR. RAAB:  Right.

        16                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Pat Hines, we'll

        17         start with you.

        18                      MR. HINES:  A couple of cleanup

        19         comments.  We need a detail of the graft parking

        20         lot, how it's going to be constructed, to be a

        21         dustless surface.  Also I noted to the planning

        22         board at work session the list of outdoor storage

        23         materials and their review of the screening.  I

        24         guess we generally felt it was going to be

        25         adequately screened.  The 15 HTB pipe needs to be


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         2         labeled as watertight.  Just to flow, the resolution

         3         should identify the maximum number of employees

         4         which the septic designs were based on.

         5                      MR. RAAB:  Not a problem.  In fact,

         6         most of them are already done.  If not all of them.

         7         Took care of everything else.

         8                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Is the board

         9         satisfied?  Any concerns about the storage area?

        10         That was the only thing you wanted the board's final

        11         opinion on?

        12                      MR. HINES:  Yes, it's been an issue on

        13         other site plans.

        14                      MS. ARENT:  The storage area sits ten

        15         feet down and the proposed evergreens are seven to

        16         eight feet in height.  That gives us about 18 feet

        17         of storage.  Your storage, is it greater than 18

        18         feet?  I don't think we need to, it's only four to

        19         five feet in height.

        20                      MR. RAAB:  We'll put a note on the plan

        21         that nothing will be any higher than whatever Karen

        22         says, won't be any higher than 18 feet -- 16.

        23                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I think I specified

        24         in here --

        25                      MS. ARENT:  Yes, please don't do that.


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         2                      MR. HINES:  There's a height list on

         3         there already.

         4                      MR. RAAB:  You're scaring me.

         5                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  It's your notes.

         6                      MR. RAAB:  I know.  I thought I took

         7         care of it.

         8                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed, outstanding

         9         comments?

        10                      MR. COCKS:  No.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  You don't have any.

        12                      Final questions or comments from board

        13         members.  Frank?

        14                      MR. GALLI:  Just about the gate.

        15                      MS. ARENT:  You want to discuss the

        16         gate.

        17                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  It's a reasonable

        18         point.  Just a few questions.

        19                      MR. GALLI:  Is it an electronic gate?

        20                      MR. RAAB:  Yes.  Almost brand new.

        21                      MR. GALLI:  We're curious which way

        22         it's going to slide and where you're going to

        23         position it.  How it's going to look.  Be hidden

        24         when it's open or closed.

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         2         measured.  It's 37 feet long so if you know how it's

         3         working and where it's going.

         4                      MR. RAAB:  I believe this is where it's

         5         supposed to be relocated.  It shows it right here on

         6         the plan.

         7                      MS. ARENT:  Here it is.

         8                      MR. RAAB:  Yes, it's moving up, I'm

         9         sorry.  Up in here, right.  I think most of this

        10         will be behind this shrubbery here.  If you want us

        11         to beef up the landscaping to cover that end.

        12                      MS. ARENT:  When I measured the gate,

        13         37 feet, it moves like this and that would put it

        14         over here.

        15                      MR. RAAB:  It would have to be redone

        16         to move in the other direction.

        17                      MS. ARENT:  What about the curb?  How

        18         will it go over the curb?  There are some details

        19         that have to be massaged.

        20                      MR. RAAB:  I think we can work it out.

        21         We'll have to do something with the curb, maybe put

        22         a drop curb in right where the gate goes.  That will

        23         work.

        24                      MS. ARENT:  If you're going to put it

        25         over here, just put landscaping in front of it.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Karen suggests,

         3         maybe rather than invests in landscaping you want to

         4         take some of the spirea in front of the walls.

         5                      MS. ARENT:  He did that already.

         6                      MR. GALLI:  If it goes the other way

         7         you'll be all set.

         8                      MR. RAAB:  If it sits, but Karen seems

         9         to think it's too long.  We'll either do one or two

        10         things.  Move the parking, got to move it anyway, if

        11         we're moving it we might as well turn it around and

        12         put it the other way.

        13                      MS. ARENT:  Will you see all of that

        14         operating stuff if you do that from the front, from

        15         the road?  All the structure?

        16                      MR. RAAB:  No, we'll have landscaping.

        17                      MS. ARENT:  But you will be closed.

        18         The good side, the chain link side without all the

        19         structure, if that faces the road like it does right

        20         now --

        21                      MR. RAAB:  No, I think they can rework

        22         it so the fence is facing in the same direction.

        23         Just go in the opposite direction.

        24                      MS. ARENT:  Good, that would be what we

        25         would want.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  What other items do

         3         we have outstanding, planning or engineering on this

         4         that need to be addressed?

         5                      MR. HINES:  Nothing.

         6                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Mike, do you want

         7         to present to the board conditions of approval for

         8         the resolution.

         9                      MR. DONNELLY:  When we had originally

        10         talked, because this is two parcels, we wanted you

        11         to mortgage them but you explained for financing

        12         purposes that couldn't be done.  To solve that

        13         problem we agreed a condition like the following

        14         would be included in a resolution.  This site plan

        15         approval is for the entire site comprised of two

        16         parcels and it must operate as a single site absent

        17         amended approval for the planning board.

        18                      Next condition relates to the maximum

        19         number of employees to 39, given a design of the

        20         subsurface sanitary sewer disposal system.  I'll

        21         need to review access easements regarding the shared

        22         access across the two lots.  Approval should be

        23         conditioned upon a sign-off by Karen for the items

        24         in her memo of September 5th and that the fence gate

        25         has been properly located and screened.  We needed a


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         2         sign-off from Pat from his memo of September 7th and

         3         that the proposed surface of the storage area shown

         4         on the plan has been found satisfactory, and that

         5         the site plan architectural renderings have been

         6         revised and corrected inconsistencies.  This is

         7         conditioned upon a DOT driveway utilization

         8         approval, compliance with --

         9                      MR. RAAB:  It's already been done, it's

        10         already done.

        11                      MR. DONNELLY:  -- DOT.  Get a condition

        12         of the letter satisfying --

        13                      MR. RAAB:  The driveway is in.

        14                      MR. DONNELLY:  But you have an

        15         increased use.  Sometimes they want to write a

        16         letter, make sure it's okay.

        17                      MR. RAAB:  The new driveway is already

        18         in.

        19                      MR. DONNELLY:  Okay.  So it's all

        20         approved.  Give us the paperwork.  That's fine.

        21         Compliance with ARB, landscape bond, I believe the

        22         amount was $28,394 from Karen's report.

        23                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  27,904.

        24                      MS. ARENT:  28,394.

        25                      MRS. JACOBSEN:  28,394.  $28,394.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Having heard the

         3         conditions of approval.

         4                      MR. HINES:  Soil erosion control

         5         requirements also.

         6                      MR. DONNELLY:  Is that in your memo?

         7                      MR. HINES:  No.

         8                      MR. DONNELLY:  I'll add it.

         9                      MS. ARENT:  And also the landscape

        10         inspection fee.

        11                      MR. DONNELLY:  That's built into the

        12         resolution.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Having heard the

        14         conditions of approval for Armistead Mechanical site

        15         plan I move for a motion from the board to approve

        16         that.

        17                      MR. GALLI:  So moved.

        18                      MR. MENNERICH:  Second.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

        20         Frank.  I have a second by Ken.  Any discussion on

        21         the motion?  I'll ask for roll call vote starting

        22         with Frank.

        23                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

        24                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

        25                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.


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         2                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

         3                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, yes, so

         5         carried.

         6                      MR. RAAB:  Thank you.

         7                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Jim, thanks for

         8         your cooperation with the stone wall and changes.

         9                      MR. RAAB:  No problem.

        10                      (Time noted:  7:37 p.m.)

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                                I, Charlene Koehler, a Certified

                       Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public do hereby

                       CERTIFY that I recorded stenographically the

                       proceedings herein, at the time and place noted

                       in the heading hereof, and that the foregoing is

                       an accurate and complete transcript of same, to

                       the best of my knowledge and belief.




                                         ___________________________
                                         Charlene Koehler





                   Dated:  September 27, 2005








             TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

             ----------------------------------------------X
             In Re:

             LANDS OF JOHN & PATRICIA ALLESSANDRO (2005-31)
             2 Lot Subdivision, Conceptual Site Plan
             ----------------------------------------------X

                                          Thursday - 7:38 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:

                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD C. BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant
                     KEN WERSTED, Traffic Consultant

                     JAMES RAAB
                     Representing the Applicant



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                                   (845) 564-7477


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         1                     LANDS OF ALLESSANDRO

         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  The next item of

         3         business this evening is the Lands of Allessandro.

         4         It's a two lot subdivision, conceptual site plan for

         5         duplex located on Rosalyn Lane in an R-1 zone.  It's

         6         being represented again by Jim Raab.

         7                      MR. RAAB:  Basically the only thing we

         8         needed to do was do some minor adjustments to the

         9         grading and the entryways and add the data for the

        10         septic design in the back.  That's all been done and

        11         I believe your consultants are satisfied.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Jim, we discussed

        13         this at the work session and everything you had just

        14         mentioned is accurate.  Any additional comments from

        15         the board members?

        16                      MR. GALLI:  On the drawing of the

        17         houses, are they attached together?  What's this in

        18         green?

        19                      MR. RAAB:  It's going to be the

        20         doorway, I believe.

        21                      MR. GALLI:  There's a doorway to the

        22         right and one to the left and then there's like a

        23         doorway in the middle.

        24                      MR. RAAB:  The doorway in the middle is

        25         a common area.  It's going to be lived in right now


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         2         by his son and his daughter.  That's why that

         3         doorway is there.  It's a common area doorway.

         4                      MR. GALLI:  Okay.  I was curious.

         5                      MR. RAAB:  Both of them are attached.

         6                      MR. GALLI:  Okay.

         7                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Cliff, any comment?

         8                      MR. BROWNE:  No.

         9                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken?

        10                      MR. MENNERICH:  No.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed?

        12                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Nothing.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Joe?

        14                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

        15                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I move for a motion

        16         from the board to declare a Negative Declaration for

        17         the two lot subdivision and conceptual site plan and

        18         set it up for the next available date for public

        19         hearing.

        20                      MR. GALLI:  So moved.

        21                      MR. PROFACI:  Second.

        22                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

        23         Frank and second by Joe.  Any discussion on the

        24         motion?  I'll ask for roll call vote starting with

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         2                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

         3                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

         4                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

         5                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, yes, so

         6         carried.

         7                      Jim, I don't know when but when you

         8         have the time would you call Norma to arrange for

         9         whatever the mailings list might be on this?

        10                      MR. RAAB:  Sure.

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                                I, Charlene Koehler, a Certified

                       Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public do hereby

                       CERTIFY that I recorded stenographically the

                       proceedings herein, at the time and place noted

                       in the heading hereof, and that the foregoing is

                       an accurate and complete transcript of same, to

                       the best of my knowledge and belief.




                                         ___________________________
                                         Charlene Koehler



                   Dated:  September 27, 2005








             TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

             -------------------------------------X
             In Re:

             ROUTE 300 REALTY (2004-68)
             Site Plan
             -------------------------------------X


                                          Thursday - 7:41 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:

                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD C. BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant
                     KEN WERSTED, Traffic Consultant

                     ANDREW FETHERSTON, Maser Consulting
                     Representing the Applicant


                                 COVENANT REPORTING
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                                   (845) 564-7477


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         1                       ROUTE 300 REALTY

         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  The following item

         3         of business we have is Route 300 Realty.  It's a

         4         site plan located on Route 300 and Old South Plank

         5         Road.  It's in a B zone and it's being represented

         6         by Maser Consulting.

         7                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Fetherson,

         8         F-E-T-H-E-R-S-T-O-N, Andrew.

         9                      Members of the board, my name is Andrew

        10         Fetherston, I work for Maser Consulting.  We

        11         submitted a set of engineering plans advancing the

        12         schedule of plan that was presented to you

        13         previously.

        14                      The site plan is for a two acre site on

        15         Route 300 and Old South Plank Road.  We're proposing

        16         a 15,000 square foot office building.  The 15,000

        17         square foot is the total square footage occupied by

        18         two stories, 7500 square foot per story.  We're

        19         proposing full access and egress from Old South

        20         Plank Road with a restricted egress access from

        21         Route 300, a right turn in and a right turn out to

        22         avoid left turns out of that entrance.

        23                      Proposing 75 parking stalls for

        24         handicapped spaces.  The site is to be served by

        25         town water, and what we're proposing is we


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         2         originally showed a temporary septic system to carry

         3         us over to the time that the sewer moratorium has

         4         been lifted.  It's now our decision to remove that

         5         septic system and to proceed ahead, believing that

         6         the timing will be such that when we seek a C.O. for

         7         the building, the moratorium will be lifted.  We

         8         have --

         9                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Let me stop you on

        10         that.  We can't, my understanding is and I'll have

        11         counsel refer, we can't grant any approvals --

        12                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Final --

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  So you couldn't

        14         even construct to get a C of O.

        15                      MR. DONNELLY:  Our moratorium local law

        16         wouldn't allow this board to grant the approval.

        17         You'd need to actually have the moratorium lifted as

        18         to your project, then you can get an approval.  And

        19         I think that's why --

        20                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.  Final approval

        21         from the planning board.

        22                      MR. DONNELLY:  Right.

        23                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We can still do the

        24         public hearing.  Perhaps when we come back we're

        25         showing the septic.


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         2                      MR. DONNELLY:  Yes, the public hearing

         3         could be scheduled and held but no action could be

         4         taken.

         5                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.  I

         6         misunderstand.

         7                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Are you going to

         8         show it now with a septic.  Is that what you're

         9         saying?

        10                      MR. FETHERSTON:  The present plans you

        11         reviewed do not have that.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Right.

        13                      MR. FETHERSTON:  And the --

        14                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  And the plans

        15         before did that have --

        16                      MR. FETHERSTON:  The plans did

        17         previously have an area designated for septic but we

        18         didn't advance them.

        19                      MR. HINES:  I have a comment 13.

        20         Status approval.  If in fact you're going to seek a

        21         waiver from the moratorium and provide a temporary

        22         septic system, that needs to go to the town board

        23         for that approval.

        24                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.  Okay.  I had a

        25         misunderstanding.  I leave it to your board.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  We'll start

         3         with Ken Wersted.  Ken, you reviewed, traffic wise?

         4                      MR. WERSTED:  I reviewed the latest

         5         traffic impact study dated August 8th, 2005.  That

         6         study addressed our comments of January 28th, 2005.

         7         However, there is an exception with table one

         8         regarding the Level of Service.  That table didn't

         9         appear to reflect accurately the Level of Service

        10         reports included in the appendix.  However, order of

        11         magnitude are correct.  I would request the

        12         applicant update that table and provide those tables

        13         to the board.

        14                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We have no problem.

        15                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Pat, you had a list

        16         of comments I think we should put on the table to

        17         address now.

        18                      MR. HINES:  No.  There's no survey of

        19         record identified on the plan.

        20                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Actually, what we did

        21         was, we surveyed all of the buildings surrounding.

        22         However, there was a comment during sketch I believe

        23         by Mr. Garling regarding locating the historic

        24         building across the street.  We did that from G.I.S.

        25         We did that from aerial mapping, to not send the


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         2         surveyors out a second time.  If required we are to

         3         locate it we would do that.

         4                      MR. HINES:  Note ten.

         5                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We'll clarify --

         6                      MR. HINES:  It should reference a

         7         survey, the plan, there's no reference to any survey

         8         on the plan at all.  If you could do that.

         9                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.

        10                      MR. HINES:  Grading in the vicinity of

        11         Old South Plank Road, the entrance drive, take a

        12         look at that.

        13                      MR. FETHERSTON:  I saw what you had

        14         mentioned.

        15                      MR. HINES:  Also at the end other end

        16         of your access drive and I referred to Karen,

        17         there's two trees proposed to be saved, but that 198

        18         contour looked like you're going to be grading.

        19                      MR. FETHERSTON:  I think you're

        20         speaking right here.  I saw those.  They could be

        21         saved.  You had a subsequent comment regarding the

        22         grading in that area and I looked at it this

        23         morning.  They're saveable.

        24                      MR. HINES:  Drainage across both access

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         2                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Right now there is a

         3         ditch.  There is some piped drainage in the

         4         vicinity.  However, there's a water line right in

         5         that shoulder and also a water line in the shoulder

         6         where -- right where our swale is.  If we propose

         7         hard piping we'll have some difficulties with the

         8         required ten foot separation between water and storm

         9         sewer.  We were going to leave it as a ditch.  We

        10         were going to leave it as a paved swale and let the

        11         water pass by --

        12                      MR. HINES:  You need to look at how

        13         much water is coming.  Water coming down that hill.

        14         You may have icing conditions that may be a concern.

        15                      MR. FETHERSTON:  It's on a good slope

        16         right there, but like I said, there's some piping in

        17         the neighborhood.  If we're required to do storm

        18         sewage, I'll have to work it out with you and

        19         getting around the water mains there that --

        20                      MR. HINES:  Size of the water mains and

        21         details need to be done.  They're not sized yet.  I

        22         had a comment, the underdrain, you have quite an

        23         extensive underdrain system.

        24                      MR. FETHERSTON:  I saw exactly what

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         2         up so that it would feed the detention.  That's not

         3         what we want to do.  We want to use that for the

         4         surface water.  I saw exactly your comment and I

         5         marked up a plan today that we can bring that

         6         directly to the outfall as I think your comment --

         7                      MR. HINES:  Is there high ground water

         8         there?

         9                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We did hit groundwater

        10         at depth on the, let me see, I don't have it on

        11         the -- I don't have groundwater to the 84 inches

        12         that we went down.  That leads into another comment

        13         of yours.  We're anticipating that there will be

        14         water.  There's some significant cuts on this side.

        15         I want to make sure the pavement --

        16                      MR. HINES:  We had a comment on the

        17         erosion control.  The water quality controls won't

        18         be in effect until after construction so we need

        19         more detail on the erosion control for the

        20         construction phase, some sediment traps.

        21                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We did a couple of

        22         sediment traps.  We can supplement that.

        23                      MR. HINES:  I didn't see those.

        24                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Yes, I have an erosion

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         2         devices.

         3                      MR. HINES:  There's other technical

         4         comments on the drainage.  You have those?

         5                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Yes.

         6                      MR. HINES:  Status of sewer moratorium

         7         we discussed.  Striping details need to be on the

         8         plan.  Dumpster enclosure.  I referred to Karen,

         9         trees to be saved on the grading.  You have a detail

        10         for the steep slopes as you just mentioned the

        11         grading.  Those need to be shown on the landscaping

        12         plans, too.

        13                      MR. FETHERSTON:  No problem.

        14                      MR. HINES:  That's all we have.

        15                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.

        16                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Comments from the

        17         board members as to what was just discussed?  Frank?

        18                      MR. GALLI:  Not at this time.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN: Cliff?

        20                      MR. BROWNE:  Nothing more.

        21                      CHAIRMAN MENNERICH:  Ken?

        22                      MR. MENNERICH:  No.

        23                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed?

        24                      MR. O'DONNELL:  No.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Joe?


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         2                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

         3                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Pat, you made a

         4         discussion that the grading plan could tie into the

         5         landscape plan.

         6                      MR. HINES:  That's what I just

         7         discussed.  Steep slopes discussed.  Should be --

         8         we have that detailed on the detailed sheet.  It

         9         called out on the erosion control.  We could refer

        10         to it on the landscaping plan.  Not a problem.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Since you're

        12         talking about the landscape plan, Karen, you want to

        13         begin discussing?

        14                      MS. ARENT:  During work session we

        15         looked at some trees, existing trees along the

        16         southern property line.  These could help mitigate

        17         some of the visual impacts from Route 52.  Is it

        18         possible to save some of these trees?  It looks to

        19         me like it's possible to put them all along.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  We'd like to see

        21         you save the ones that are identified as 12 inch, 18

        22         inch, 12 inch and 18 inch, realizing that this

        23         building will have a strong facade, new in its

        24         location, they would offset the six or eight foot

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         2         the existing maple trees which are approximately 25

         3         to 30 feet.  So what we're asking you to do is

         4         address your plan to save those trees.

         5                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Sure.

         6                      MS. ARENT:  I would, if there's a space

         7         allowed, instead of or maybe in addition, also plant

         8         a few trees that grow large as maples just in case

         9         any of these die, it would be nice to have a taller

        10         tree grow in that area.

        11                      MR. FETHERSTON:  I think what I'm going

        12         to propose, I'll call Pat and see if we could

        13         arrange something so I can run the technical

        14         comments by you, what we're planning, before I come

        15         to the board once again, and also the landscape

        16         architect comments, we have a landscape architect on

        17         save staff who would be much more capable than

        18         myself, perhaps we can set up a meeting and address

        19         the comments.

        20                      MS. ARENT:  Another comment, you have

        21         the stone wall on the front of the side and then a U

        22         planting which is lower.  From Route 300 you're

        23         basically looking down into the site.  I'm afraid

        24         that U planting is going to get damaged from

        25         snowplowing.  So we're going to need to figure out a


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         2         way to screen that parking from Route 300 and more

         3         importantly, I had a memorandum from Historic Parks

         4         and Recreation and they suggested landscaping to

         5         help screen your site from that historic house.

         6                      MR. FETHERSTON:  That's not a problem.

         7                      MS. ARENT:  I want to make sure there's

         8         adequate screening with the grades the way they are.

         9                      MR. FETHERSTON:  I'll have our

        10         landscape architect contact you and arrange a

        11         meeting to address all the comments and concerns.

        12                      MS. ARENT:  All right.  Let's see, I

        13         think, there's a couple of trees.  Oh, sidewalks.  I

        14         measured them, they're four feet.  We generally, the

        15         ones -- not one in front of the building, the ones

        16         connected, we generally ask for five foot wide

        17         sidewalks.

        18                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.  No problem.

        19                      MS. ARENT:  Then the stockade fence

        20         shown the screening of the dumpster, that in my

        21         opinion, changed, stockade fence and pretty on-site.

        22         A lot of times people use the same material they're

        23         building the building out of, the concrete block and

        24         they build the dumpster and do a nice gate, so it

        25         would be nice if you could do something like that.


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         2                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.

         3                      MS. ARENT:  Some of your trees and

         4         light poles conflict.  You have to overlay the

         5         lighting plan on the tree plan to make you pretty

         6         much close to what the numbers you're supposed to

         7         have, just move them to another location.

         8                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Okay.

         9                      MS. ARENT:  Then aside from the visual

        10         notes and tree comments, that's it.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Any comments from

        12         the board members on the proposed landscape design

        13         for the project?

        14                      MR. GALLI:  None.

        15                      MR. BROWNE:  No, nothing.

        16                      MR. MENNERICH:  No.

        17                      MR. O'DONNELL:  No.

        18                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  Outstanding

        20         planning items, Ed?  Bryant?

        21                      MR. COCKS:  We actually have a couple.

        22         The easements are going to be shown.  Also on South

        23         Plank Road, that line that looks like it's the

        24         border of the road, it's a water line.  You have to

        25         put where the curbs are.  Also, one of the first


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         2         plans, the existing conditions plan shows it more

         3         clearly but then the lines fades out.  What I could

         4         do is send you something that highlights that.  It's

         5         all on there but let's bump it up.

         6                      Just the entranceways, they need to

         7         be -- the one on Old South Plank needs to meet up

         8         with the curb.

         9                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We're meeting the edge

        10         of pavement.  The edge of pavement is irregular

        11         because it flares out for the car wash associated

        12         vacuuming area.  So we kind of took that line of

        13         asphalt and continued it, where on the other side

        14         the road is the width but there's really no defined

        15         edge of pavement.  The road continues into that

        16         asphalt area for the vacuuming.  That's why we

        17         didn't flare that side.  It's an existing condition.

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        19                      That's it for us.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Comments on the

        21         planning issues?  Frank.

        22                      MR. GALLI:  None.

        23                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Cliff?

        24                      MR. BROWNE:  The last comment, was that

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         2                      MR. COCKS:  Yes.

         3                      MR. BROWNE:  Okay.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken?

         5                      MR. MENNERICH:  No questions.

         6                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed?

         7                      MR. O'DONNELL:  No.

         8                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Joe?

         9                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

        10                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  There was

        11         conversation by Mr. Fetherston, maybe I'll bring

        12         that to the board now and I'll poll the board

        13         members.  Will the board like to have a public

        14         hearing on this?  I'll start with Frank.

        15                      MR. GALLI:  Yes.

        16                      MR. BROWNE:  Yes.

        17                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken?

        18                      MR. MENNERICH:  Yes.

        19                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Likewise, yes.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Joe?

        21                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

        22                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Then I'll say yes.

        23         Okay, we'll have to determine that.  But in the

        24         meantime, are the plans ready?  Mike, what happens?

        25         Let's go through this procedurally.  They'll be


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         2         presenting revised plans that shows septic.  We can

         3         move forward eventually after we get the revised

         4         plans to Neg Dec the project.

         5                      MR. DONNELLY:  Certainly we can.  I

         6         believe if Pat tells you that the issue is not

         7         whether a septic plan can be created on this site,

         8         but simply the design of one, then I think that

         9         shifts from being a true environmental issue to just

        10         a ministerial technical issue.  If Pat is convinced,

        11         I think there was a septic design, I think to some

        12         minimal extent prepared --

        13                      MR. HINES:  There was an area shown.

        14                      MR. FETHERSTON:  What we did, we had an

        15         area, I think Karen will comment or the consultants

        16         had comments that led us down the path towards a

        17         septic underneath the pavement, that's what I

        18         remember.  So we started investigating that and with

        19         discussions with the client we decided to -- we were

        20         under the impression that we could wait for the

        21         sewer.

        22                      MR. DONNELLY:  If there's a fear of a

        23         higher water table issue you should probably wait to

        24         issue your Negative Declaration.

        25                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We have deep test


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         2         holes that were done on-site that showed no

         3         groundwater, which will be acceptable to Orange

         4         County Health Department.

         5                      MR. HINES:  But not necessarily in the

         6         area.

         7                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Not right in that

         8         area.

         9                      MR. HINES:  I think we need to take a

        10         look at the grading in that area and see what level

        11         you have in that septic system area.  You are

        12         cutting that down I believe --

        13                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Yes.

        14                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I think the

        15         direction I'm looking for recommendation for the

        16         planning board is, would it make sense to grant a

        17         Negative Declaration tonight?  Would it also make

        18         sense to set this up for the next work session with

        19         the understanding that our consultants will advise

        20         the planning board after the revised plan and

        21         resubmitting that we can move forward to scheduling

        22         it for public hearing?  I'm looking for some

        23         recommendations.

        24                      MR. HINES:  I think we can do that.

        25         Knowing, we do have some deep tests on the site.  It


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         2         may change the design size of the system if they're,

         3         the perks and deeps change in that area but I feel

         4         comfortable with a Negative Dec.  Traffic was

         5         probably the biggest issue on the site and the

         6         internal circulation flow.  Technical details I

         7         believe we can work out.

         8                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken Wersted, would

         9         you advise the board accordingly?

        10                      MR. WERSTED:  We resolved most traffic

        11         issues in the last go round with the site plan and

        12         getting it to this point.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed, your comments

        14         on this?

        15                      MR. GARLING:  I feel uncomfortable with

        16         a Negative Declaration until Pat is totally

        17         satisfied with the drainage and the sewer.  Now, the

        18         applicant says they're going to put a septic system

        19         back on the plan.  Is that going to be permanent on

        20         that or temporary?

        21                      MR. FETHERSTON:  It's going to be

        22         temporary pending the sewer becoming available.

        23                      MR. GARLING:  So this is in a sewer

        24         district if they want to go in the sewers?

        25                      MR. HINES:  Yes.


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         2                      MR. GARLING:  My feeling is if there's

         3         any questions, I think we could resolve this at a

         4         work session, and then if we at the work session

         5         feel the Negative Declaration could be issued,

         6         prepare a draft Neg Dec, submit it to the board, and

         7         at the following meeting you could adopt it.

         8                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  That sounds

         9         okay.

        10                      MR. GARLING:  Then I would feel we have

        11         a Negative Declaration that's been gone over rather

        12         than issuing one now when there's a question, that

        13         may all be solvable.

        14                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Thank you.

        15                      MR. GARLING:  I would be more

        16         comfortable with that.

        17                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Would the board be

        18         in agreement with that?

        19                      MR. GALLI:  That's fine.

        20                      MR. BROWNE:  Yes.

        21                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I move for a motion

        22         from the board to set this up for the next available

        23         date for consultant's meeting.

        24                      MR. MENNERICH:  So moved.

        25                      MR. GALLI:  Second.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

         3         Ken.  Second by Frank.  Any discussion on the

         4         motion?  I'll ask for roll call start vote starting

         5         with Frank.

         6                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

         7                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

         8                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

         9                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

        10                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Aye.  Okay.

        12                      MR. GARLING:  Mr. Chairman, my thought

        13         was that the applicant wouldn't necessarily have to

        14         come back to the planning board.

        15                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Right.

        16                      MR. GARLING:  We could draft the Neg

        17         Dec, submit it to the board and the board could do

        18         it under board business or however you want to do

        19         it.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  That was my

        21         understanding.  Did the board conceive it that way

        22         also?

        23                      MR. GALLI:  Yes.

        24                      MR. MENNERICH:  Yes.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  That will be


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         2         a benefit to all parties and we'll save some time.

         3                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Mr. Chairman, one of

         4         Mr. Garling's comments was that architectural

         5         rendering should be prepared.  We did not have them

         6         for submittal.  We do have them tonight.  Is there

         7         any interest in receiving them tonight?  Submitting

         8         them to you tonight?

         9                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  No.  We'll reach a

        10         point in time we will want to do the ARB and we'll

        11         do it separately and prior to site plan approval.

        12         What's really outstanding, Mike, can we grant

        13         approval if we have an outstanding issue?

        14                      MR. DONNELLY:  No, you can schedule the

        15         public hearing but you cannot issue the approval.

        16                      MR. FETHERSTON:  We'll get moving on

        17         the septic.

        18                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  While you're on the

        19         notes.  Rumors.  Do you hear anything about rumors?

        20         There's a mention that a bank won't be going on the

        21         site.

        22                      MR. FETHERSTON:  I spoke to a banker

        23         yesterday about it.

        24                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  That was a

        25         rumor.


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         2                      MR. FETHERSTON:  Spoke to a banker who

         3         was positive yesterday.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  Thank you.

         5                      (Time noted:  8:03 p.m.)

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        11                      I, Charlene Koehler, a Certified

        12             Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public do hereby

        13             CERTIFY that I recorded stenographically the

        14             proceedings herein, at the time and place noted

        15             in the heading hereof, and that the foregoing is

        16             an accurate and complete transcript of same, to

        17             the best of my knowledge and belief.

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                                         ___________________________
        20                               Charlene Koehler

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             TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

             ------------------------------------------X
             In Re:

             LANDS OF JOHN & LYNN DELESKY (2005-36)
             Conceptual Sketch Plan - 5 Lot Subdivision
             ------------------------------------------X


                                          Thursday - 8:03 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:

                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD C. BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant


                     CHARLES BROWN, P.E.
                     Representing the Applicant


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  The next item of

         3         business is the Lands of Delesky.  It's a conceptual

         4         sketch plan for five lot subdivision located on

         5         Prospect Hill Road in an AR zone.  Charles Brown is

         6         representing.

         7                      MR. BROWN:  This is an existing 32

         8         acre, roughly, parcel in the AR zone.  It has a

         9         single-family residence on it right now for my

        10         clients, primary residence.

        11                      (Mr. Wersted leaves the meeting at this

        12         time.)

        13                      MR. BROWN:  The proposal is for a five

        14         lot subdivision to create four new building lots.

        15         Three of the lots range from about an acre, 1.8

        16         acres to just under three.  The other two lots are

        17         over five acres.  It will be serviced by individual

        18         wells and septic.  Access is proposed to be a

        19         private road that goes to Prospect Hill.  Parcel is

        20         surrounded and a lot of the perimeter contains New

        21         York State wetland NB 32.  That's the reason we've

        22         limited it to this number of lots.  A good portion

        23         of the parcel is not buildable due to that wetland.

        24                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Thank you, Charles.

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         2         your comments, please?

         3                      MR. GARLING:  Sight distances for

         4         Prospect Hill Road, as I recall, we went out on this

         5         site to look at it.  There's virtually no sight

         6         distance on a lot of this.  So we're going to need

         7         to see what can be done to achieve some reasonable

         8         sight distance.  The DEC permits are going to be

         9         necessary for the roadway and buffer land, so what

        10         we would normally do, perhaps, is recommend that at

        11         some point in time, prior to a public hearing, that

        12         you go to the DEC and talk to them about getting the

        13         road with a buffer.

        14                      MR. BROWN:  We've already had

        15         preliminary discussions with them and they've

        16         already signed off on the bounded wetland as is

        17         represented on this map.  Because the existing

        18         driveway is already in that area of the buffer they

        19         said it would be approvable.  We're prepared to

        20         submit to them as soon as we get Lead Agency.

        21                      MR. GARLING:  Okay.  Do you have

        22         anything from them saying that?

        23                      MR. BROWN:  Again, until the board

        24         declares Lead Agency, they really can't.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  We could move for






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         2         that motion tonight.  This is an unlisted

         3         uncoordinated action, correct?

         4                      MR. DONNELLY:  It may well be

         5         coordinated if the DEC has to approve it.

         6                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  So we would have to

         7         declare our intent.

         8                      Ed, continue on.

         9                      MR. GARLING:  We were looking at Lots 4

        10         and 5 and the feeling was that the way it's laid

        11         out, there was little relationship for the two

        12         different lots.  Looking at each other the way the

        13         driveway goes all around the one house, there's

        14         virtually no privacy at all.  They have a driveway

        15         on one side coming in and a driveway going around

        16         the house in the other direction.  The easement is

        17         actually going across the front yard of the other

        18         house.

        19                      MR. BROWN:  That's actually part of the

        20         parcel.  That's part of the parcel.  Lot Number 5.

        21         I had that conversation with my clients about a

        22         common driveway which we would make that a little

        23         better.  We had a version with that.  Because of the

        24         wooded nature of the parcel they were inclined to

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         2         Because of the size of the lot, the scale is a

         3         little deceiving.  We have more than an acre of

         4         upland on each lot and more than a half an acre of

         5         buildable area on each lot.  That exceeds the

         6         zoning.  Based upon that we were comfortable with

         7         this.  We can look at the driveway.  I understand it

         8         does tend to eliminate privacy.  We could also, I

         9         could also suggest to my client that we leave buffer

        10         areas along the setbacks between the two lots and

        11         along that driveway because, again, it is very

        12         wooded back there.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.

        14                      MR. GARLING:  The driveway on Lot 1,

        15         27.2, is -- is it going to be an easement for that

        16         driveway?  I guess they built on your property.

        17                      MR. BROWN:  I guess Pat had a comment

        18         about that, too; they should maybe come off the

        19         proposed private road.  My clients do know them and

        20         I'll discuss that tonight and able to contact them

        21         and talk about that option.  In lieu of that, we

        22         will provide an easement.  What are their names?

        23                      MS. DELESKY:  Bob and Marilyn Fairmam,

        24         F-A-I-R-M-A-M.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed, anything else?






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         2                      MR. GARLING:  There's no names on any

         3         of the lots.  So you'll need to resolve that.  If

         4         we're going to approve this plan for the driveway on

         5         your property, you're going to have to give them an

         6         easement or pull it off of there.  Of course, it is

         7         the access to their house.  That's all our comments.

         8                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  Comments

         9         from the board members in reference to Ed's

        10         comments?  Frank?

        11                      MR. GALLI:  None.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Cliff?

        13                      MR. BROWNE:  No.

        14                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken?

        15                      MR. MENNERICH:  Yes.  Charles, was

        16         there consideration to having a common driveway for

        17         Lots 4 and 5?

        18                      MR. BROWN:  We actually had a version

        19         that had that before we came up with this.  I'll

        20         talk to my clients about that again.  They want to

        21         kind of stay away from that because of the wooded

        22         nature of the area back there.

        23                      In response to Ed's comment, I'll

        24         discuss that again with them.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed?






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         2                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Nothing.

         3                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Joe?

         4                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

         5                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I was out there.

         6         Where's Margate Meadows and Equestrian Way in

         7         reference to this?  Do you know?  Mr. Delesky, do

         8         you know?  Can you roughly point it out.

         9                      MR. DELESKY:  Margate would be closer

        10         to the apple orchard, about a half a mile.

        11                      MRS. DELESKY:  On the opposite side of

        12         the road.

        13                      MR. GARLING:  It's across the road into

        14         the east.

        15                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  So you're up

        16         further east of them.

        17                      MRS. DELESKY:  West.

        18                      MR. BROWN:  West.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed, you think sight

        20         distance can be made on this site?

        21                      MR. GARLING:  I was just talking to

        22         Bryant, I had it confused with another site.  The

        23         sight distance should be adequate.

        24                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  That's what I

        25         thought.  I've been out there myself.  Okay.






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         2         Thanks.

         3                      Pat, you want to review your comments?

         4                      MR. HINES:  We mentioned the need for

         5         the DEC permit.  The subdivision sheet one should

         6         have record owners filled in.  Stormwater management

         7         plan will be required.  The detail sheet depicts dry

         8         swales along the private road which I believe are

         9         for water quality.  In fact, that's going to remain,

        10         the maintenance agreements for the private road you

        11         need to address those.

        12                      MR. FETHERSTON:  They will be included.

        13                      MR. HINES:  You mentioned road.  Road

        14         name requires approval of the town board.  Survey

        15         certifications note should be completed.  That's all

        16         we have in this.

        17                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Any comments from

        18         the board members on Pat Hines' review?

        19                      MR. GALLI:  None.

        20                      MR. BROWNE:  No.

        21                      MR. MENNERICH:  No.

        22                      MR. O'DONNELL:  No.

        23                      MR. PROFACI:  No.

        24                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  All right.  Then, I

        25         move for a motion from the board to declare our






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         2         intent for Lead Agency for the five lot subdivision

         3         and also to approve the conceptual sketch plan for

         4         the Lands of Delesky.

         5                      MR. PROFACI:  So moved.

         6                      MR. MENNERICH:  Second.

         7                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

         8         Joe.  I have a second by Ken.  Any discussion on the

         9         motion?  I'll ask for a roll call vote starting with

        10         Frank.

        11                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

        12                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

        13                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

        14                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

        15                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

        16                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, so carried.

        17                      MR. DONNELLY:  I was wondering whether

        18         it's close enough to a state or county highway

        19         requirement permit.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I don't think it's

        21         close enough to Forest Road myself.

        22                      MRS. JACOBSEN:  No, it isn't.

        23                      MR. GARLING:  The location map isn't

        24         that helpful.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  None of them are.






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         2                      MR. GARLING:  Some are better than

         3         others.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  So until we

         5         actually become Lead Agency you can't do much with

         6         the DEC.

         7                      MR. BROWN:  Yes.  Right.  Thank you.

         8                      (Time noted:  8:13 p.m.)

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                                C_E_R_T_I_F_I_C_A_T_I_O_N
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                                I, Charlene Koehler, a Certified

                       Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public do hereby

                       CERTIFY that I recorded stenographically the

                       proceedings herein, at the time and place noted

                       in the heading hereof, and that the foregoing is

                       an accurate and complete transcript of same, to

                       the best of my knowledge and belief.




                                         ___________________________
                                         Charlene Koehler





                   Dated:  September 28, 2005








             TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

             -------------------------------------X
             In Re:

             NEW YORK BUILD, LLC (2005-9)
             2 Lot Subdivision, Site Plan
             -------------------------------------X

                                          Thursday - 8:13 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:

                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD C. BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant


                     MARK OLSON, R.A.
                     Representing the Applicant



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                                   (845) 564-7477


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         1                      NEW YORK BUILD, LLC

         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Final item of

         3         business is New York Build, LLC.  It's a two lot

         4         subdivision and site plan located on New Road and

         5         North Plank Road in a B and R-2 zone.  It's being

         6         represented by Mark Olson and this plan was reduced

         7         in size from its original submission.

         8                      MR. OLSON:  Good evening, my name is

         9         Mark Olson with Berg Hennessy and Olson.

        10                      Just quickly review.  Originally we had

        11         come here with a three lot subdivision.  We have

        12         since revised that and incorporated the area left

        13         over into the commercial or business lot.  We're

        14         still showing the residential lot for two family

        15         dwelling.  We have, on the business lot, we have

        16         shown the building footprint more clearly.  We have

        17         shown proposed sidewalks.  Another comment earlier

        18         was with reference to retaining wall design, we're

        19         showing that later in the set, detail.  The septic

        20         has been designed, it's not that clear on the plan,

        21         but there is a septic design under the soils data

        22         section referencing the three seepage pits.

        23                      We had a stormwater design also done

        24         for this lot by Lanc and Tully and they did not

        25         provide us with a report at that point in time.


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         1                      NEW YORK BUILD, LLC

         2         Their feeling was that the stormwater would not show

         3         a need for detention and, therefore, we wouldn't

         4         really need a report.  One has been requested and we

         5         don't have any problem with providing that.

         6                      Other than that, the residential parcel

         7         is remaining the same.  We haven't really changed

         8         that.  We have added some landscaping to both plans.

         9         We haven't gotten any comment back on that.  I'm not

        10         sure if there are comments at this point.  Other

        11         than that, that's kind of the project in a nutshell

        12         at this point.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  I guess the

        14         real concern and that's what we'll begin discussing

        15         is the proposed site plan with the contiguous nature

        16         of the DEC wetlands.  And this is an overly broad

        17         conversation with Ed and Pat Hines.  We will start

        18         with Pat.

        19                      MR. HINES:  With regard to that some of

        20         the improvements are shown at the DEC buffer line,

        21         the septic system, seepage pits are shown touching

        22         the line.  The building's located, I don't know,

        23         four feet in the one corner from the line with a

        24         swale between the building and the line.  I don't

        25         know if you can practically construct what you're


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         2         showing there without encroaching on that buffer.  I

         3         guess I'm suggesting that you submit the plan for

         4         DEC for a permit to construct the building.  You're

         5         going to have construction equipment in the buffer.

         6         It's probably going to become an issue when you're

         7         building it so get the permit now.  You're avoiding

         8         the buffer with the improvements but practically you

         9         can't build it the way you're showing there.

        10                      MR. OLSON:  We have put the plan in

        11         front of DEC.  They had a similar concern in their

        12         response.  We don't have a problem with making that

        13         application to DEC.

        14                      MR. HINES:  It will help keep you out

        15         of trouble in the long run if you get the permit and

        16         are able to construct that.

        17                      MR. OLSON:  I think our concern would

        18         be more along the lines of would that application

        19         delay our process here?

        20                      MR. DONNELLY:  They're not going to

        21         rule on it until there's a Negative Declaration.  We

        22         haven't issued that yet.  After the Negative

        23         Declaration we need to schedule the public hearing.

        24         If it moves along and the final condition was that

        25         the approval was subject to getting that permit,


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         2         then I think that would be satisfactory to the

         3         board, then and I don't think it would slow you

         4         down.

         5                      MR. OLSON:  Okay.

         6                      MR. HINES:  With regard to the

         7         stormwater, we did request the stormwater report.  I

         8         probably concur with your argument that stormwater

         9         quantity control is not an issue here because I

        10         think you have an 88 acre wetland as part of the

        11         parcel but we do need to comply with the DEC and

        12         town regulations.  So our report detail on the town

        13         resolutions would probably be in order.

        14                      The dry swales you proposed are

        15         typically put on plat areas.  You have eight feet of

        16         elevation difference across in some spots.  You may

        17         want to look at that design to see if it really will

        18         function.

        19                      MR. OLSON:  We had talked and dealing

        20         with John Queenan in Lanc and Tully's office.  We

        21         spoke with John in reference to that.  His feelings

        22         was that the dry swales are intended for the small

        23         storms, where the larger storms would traverse the

        24         soils and that wouldn't be an issue.  You'll be able

        25         to see that in the report --


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         2                      MR. HINES:  Yes, you'll give us that

         3         report.  Culvert at the driveway needs to be 15 or

         4         18.

         5                      MR. OLSON:  It's 15.  It's a type O --

         6                      MR. HINES:  The planning board

         7         typically requires curbing on commercial site plan.

         8         Probably 70 percent of the site shows curbing.  I

         9         defer to the planning board to discuss that after

        10         we're done with these comments.  I was suggesting

        11         that the residential lot and commercial lots septic

        12         systems be shown separate, kind of have the details

        13         for each on one sheet.

        14                      MR. OLSON:  Okay.

        15                      MR. HINES:  May be confusing.  You'll

        16         probably sell off or build at a separate time the

        17         residential lot.  So make that clear.

        18                      MR. OLSON:  Okay.

        19                      MR. HINES:  The expansion area for the

        20         commercial septic need to be tested, perks.

        21                      MR. OLSON:  We made the assumption for

        22         it.  According to the soils maps, it's all the same

        23         soil.  We got good soils analysis and perk tests

        24         where we did.  We were pretty confident that the

        25         whole site would perk.  We will be back out to do it


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         2         again.

         3                      MR. HINES:  DOT highway access is

         4         required, obviously.  Jerry Canfield's office with

         5         regard to sprinklering.  I'm not sure of the size of

         6         the building threshold.  You check with him.  I

         7         think it's 5,000.  Newburgh has more stringent code.

         8         You may want to take a look at that.

         9                      MR. OLSON:  There's a possibility he

        10         would waive that?

        11                      MR. HINES:  If it's required, there's a

        12         waiver process.  Typically not granted where

        13         municipal water is in the vicinity of a site.

        14         They've been not granting several of the last three

        15         requests.  There is a process, I think the Fire

        16         Advisory Board or something does that.

        17                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Frank, would you

        18         know?

        19                      MR. GALLI:  No, I don't, John.

        20                      MR. HINES:  Jerry Canfield's office

        21         would be able to give you guidance.  Septic tank and

        22         park needs to be H 20 loading.  Dumpster enclosure

        23         needs to be shown.  Have you talked to DOT?  I know

        24         you're doing some grading on that, I don't know what

        25         it is, large parcel owned by DOT in the front there.


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         2                      MR. OLSON:  Yeah, it's kind of an odd

         3         right-of-way.

         4                      MR. HINES:  It is.

         5                      MR. OLSON:  We've put the plan in front

         6         of DOT.  We haven't received comment back yet.  We

         7         transmitted to them in end of June.

         8                      MR. HINES:  And our last comment is

         9         standard notes for water and sewer.  Which if you

        10         don't have them we can get you them.

        11                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Comments from the

        12         board on Pat Hines' review.  Frank?

        13                      MR. GALLI:  No.

        14                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Cliff?

        15                      MR. BROWNE:  Nothing more.

        16                      MR. MENNERICH:  No.

        17                      MR. O'DONNELL:  No comment.

        18                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Board's position,

        19         we have been requiring curbing on all commercial

        20         sites.  What would we would like to see here?

        21         Frank?

        22                      MR. GALLI:  Yes.

        23                      MR. BROWNE:  Yes.

        24                      MR. MENNERICH:  Yes.

        25                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Yes.


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         2                      MR. PROFACI:  Yes.

         3                      MR. OLSON:  If I could comment on that,

         4         Mr. Ewasutyn?  There are two fairly new projects,

         5         I'm not sure of the reasoning why, but there are two

         6         fairly new projects on 32.  I would reference North

         7         Plank Executive Plaza and the pediatrics building on

         8         Weyants Road which handled the curbing very similar

         9         to the way we're illustrating it here, where curbing

        10         and sidewalk among the building and then the DOT

        11         entrance would be curbed as well.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I think what

        13         happened in those cases, that was a concept that was

        14         approved several years ago.  It has since changed,

        15         the policy of the board.  But good observation.

        16                      MR. OLSON:  Okay.

        17                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ed Garling, your

        18         comments, please?

        19                      MR. GARLING:  One of them was in regard

        20         to the two-family home.  The way the driveway is

        21         laid out, it's going to be very difficult for cars

        22         to get in and out and I know that this site is

        23         restricted but you've certainly maximized the site

        24         and I would, my feeling would be, two-family home

        25         shouldn't be located on this property.  If you're


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         2         going to put four parking spaces in there, they

         3         better work.  These don't work.

         4                      MR. OLSON:  Why would you say they

         5         don't work?

         6                      MR. GARLING:  Why don't they work?

         7         Because if you drive a car in there, it's going to

         8         be pretty hard to turn it and get it into the first

         9         space.  And backing in and out, you're not going to

        10         get out your paved area.

        11                      MR. OLSON:  Not going to get?  I'm

        12         sorry.

        13                      MR. GARLING:  The car is going to be

        14         driving over the lawns.  If you're going to put a

        15         parking area in for a two-family home, it should be

        16         laid out to work.  If you come in there with a car

        17         and get to that first space to your left, you're

        18         going to have to come in with a pretty small car to

        19         make that turn.

        20                      MR. OLSON:  I can take a look at it.  I

        21         didn't really see it as a problem.

        22                      MR. GARLING:  Well, when you back out,

        23         how much room do you have?

        24                      MR. OLSON:  In the aisle?

        25                      MR. GARLING:  Yes.  What's the


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         2         difference from the right side of the parking area

         3         to the left where the driveway comes in?

         4                      MR. OLSON:  It's about 35 feet.

         5                      MR. GARLING:  All right.  If you have a

         6         parking area, we normally would require 18 feet for

         7         the space and 24 feet, that's a total of 42 feet.

         8                      MR. OLSON:  Typically for two-way

         9         traffic situation, right.

        10                      MR. GARLING:  Well, that's to mineuver

        11         the car in and out.  You go into a parking space in

        12         a mall, when you back out you're almost over the

        13         other side.  Just to back out and turn out.  I don't

        14         know how you do it here.  Just provide what's

        15         necessary.  You might have to drive over the

        16         easement.  You might have to get approval from

        17         Central Hudson, but you bought this property so

        18         you're going to have to work out that problem.

        19                      MR. OLSON:  I don't see a problem

        20         expanding on the parking area itself.

        21                      MR. GARLING:  You could flip it around.

        22         Put the driveway on the other side, then you

        23         wouldn't have to get into the easement.

        24                      MR. OLSON:  Uh-huh.

        25                      MR. GARLING:  That was basically the


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         2         comments.  But I mean everything is very tight.  The

         3         building's right on the property line.  On the other

         4         side it's on the easement.  Really just squeezed in

         5         here, so you're going to have to work with that.

         6         You'll need restrictions so when you file for a

         7         building permit you're going to need surveys each

         8         time before the foundation and then it's going to

         9         have to be checked again after the foundation is put

        10         in to make sure it's not over parking, setbacks and

        11         easement line.  That's all we have.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Karen, your last

        13         comments we'll have from you.

        14                      MS. ARENT:  My only concern is the

        15         concern everybody has raised, it looks like you

        16         can't really build this building without an

        17         encroaching on the wetlands.

        18                      MR. OLSON:  You're saying that the

        19         business building.

        20                      MS. ARENT:  Yes.

        21                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  And your

        22         satisfaction with the landscape?

        23                      MS. ARENT:  I did not review the

        24         landscaping at this time.  I can review it if you

        25         want.


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         2                      MR. OLSON:  You have a copy.

         3                      MS. ARENT:  Yes, I do.

         4                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Is there any

         5         benefit to setting this up for a work session?

         6         What's your advise to the board?

         7                      MR. HINES:  We could.  We can discuss

         8         the comments and get it more in order for the next

         9         meeting.  I'd like to see some indication from the

        10         DEC or at least that you replied to them.  We can go

        11         over the comments once they're addressed so we can

        12         reduce the list down for next time.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Would that be all

        14         right with you, Mark?  You can start working on some

        15         of the comments now that you can present at the work

        16         session, you can put it in order so we're not

        17         wasting anyone's time.

        18                      MR. OLSON:  Is there a possibility of

        19         looking at a public hearing at this point.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Oh, no, in order to

        21         have a public hearing we have to Neg Dec the

        22         project.  What we're saying is we're not in a

        23         position to even come close to that.

        24                      MR. OLSON:  Without the stormwater

        25         analysis.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Right.  And the

         3         concerns and with the DEC.

         4                      I'll move for a motion from the board

         5         to set this up for the next available date for a

         6         consultant's meeting.

         7                      MR. GALLI:  So moved.

         8                      MR. MENNERICH:  Second.

         9                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

        10         Frank and second by Ken.  Any discussion on the

        11         motion?

        12                      MR. MENNERICH:  Yes, just on the

        13         residential, the duplex lot, if in reviewing in the

        14         work session, if there would be some way to move the

        15         parking to the back of that building.

        16                      MR. HINES:  That's where the septic is

        17         proposed.

        18                      MR. MENNERICH:  Can they be reversed?

        19         Personally I don't like duplexes with a big parking

        20         lot out in front of them.  It doesn't present a good

        21         image from the road.  This is a very difficult lot.

        22         It shows a three-acre lot but it has transmission

        23         right-of-way and the wetlands and the actual usable

        24         area is --

        25                      MR. HINES:  I know you're avoiding the


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         2         right-of-way but they may allow you to put parking

         3         in there.  Is there a restriction?

         4                      MR. OLSON:  Here's the situation.  We

         5         have an existing buyer for the lot who would like to

         6         put this two family on it.  When I approached the

         7         utility company, they sent me a six page contractual

         8         document that they want the rights to this, that and

         9         the other if you put anything in their right-of-way.

        10         And our feeling was that a buyer is not really going

        11         to want to get involved in that.  That's why we're

        12         trying to avoid it.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  And understand what

        14         Ken is saying, from a planning board point of view,

        15         we're trying to balance the fact that you're

        16         investing in the property and going to flip it like

        17         the one on North Fostertown Road and you have the

        18         right to buy and flip, but we also have the thought

        19         in mind of creating something in the town that's

        20         pleasing for the town.

        21                      MR. OLSON:  Absolutely.

        22                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I think we may have

        23         to still explore that consideration of parking in

        24         the area and finding a way of working within that

        25         right-of-way.  I'll call a spade a spade with you,


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         2         you know, that being the point.  And --

         3                      MR. HENNESSY:  May I just -- I'm Andrew

         4         Hennessey.  I think you guys know me.

         5                      Two things, the reason the septic is in

         6         the back is for grading purposes.  The lot runs

         7         downhill towards the rear.  Just makes sense to put

         8         the septic towards the rear.  As far as the parking

         9         lot, lots is heavily wood.  We plan to leave as many

        10         trees as possible so that should help mitigate the

        11         views of the parking area, if that's any

        12         consolation.

        13                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I'll poll the board

        14         members to see if they're in support of

        15         Mr. Mennerich's comment.

        16                      MR. GALLI:  I'm in support of his

        17         comments.  I haven't seen the lot to see how many

        18         trees are blocking it.  Like Ken says, if you see a

        19         duplex and Wells Road is common, duplexes are there,

        20         and all the parking is out in the wide open, doesn't

        21         look pleasing at all.

        22                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Cliff?

        23                      MR. BROWNE:  I oppose it, too.

        24                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Ken?

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         2         question, what trees are there.  Usually the

         3         transmission right-of-way --

         4                      MR. HENNESSY:  They don't clear the

         5         full widths.  You can see the trees.

         6                      MR. OLSON:  On the map there's a tree

         7         line that runs -- that's the limit of their

         8         clearing.

         9                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Joe, do you think

        10         this is an example where they should identify some

        11         of the trees as far as the diameter so we know

        12         what's there and if it is effective?  This is where

        13         it may have a benefit, Karen, for them to identify

        14         those trees.  If you want to do that, that way we

        15         could see.

        16                      Karen, you want to give him the height,

        17         D.B.A. for identifying them?

        18                      MS. ARENT:  Well, typically we required

        19         at least you -- did you locate the edge of the

        20         woods?

        21                      MR. OLSON:  We did.  The edge of the

        22         clearing is here.

        23                      MS. ARENT:  Within that edge of

        24         clearing, the town has a requirement that we mark

        25         every tree eight inches diameter and greater.


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         2                      MR. OLSON:  We did on the business lot.

         3         We didn't on this one but we can.

         4                      MS. ARENT:  If we're thinking about

         5         what screening is available, I think we would almost

         6         need the trees eight inches and above.

         7                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  So if you could

         8         identify them, it would be a way of mitigating the

         9         concerns that Ken has but right now we're looking at

        10         the possibility of relocating in the back.  But if

        11         you can show us caliber of trees.  I drove by the

        12         site.  I can't tell you right now what I remember

        13         seeing about the visual impact but you may want to

        14         do that between now and the work session.

        15                      MR. HINES:  Just to clarify for them.

        16         It's 88 acre site.  We're looking in the area of the

        17         disturbance.

        18                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  We're discussing

        19         the multi family lot.

        20                      MS. ARENT:  Where the trees would be

        21         visual impact.

        22                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  For the parking

        23         lot, yes.

        24                      MR. MENNERICH:  I think we have to keep

        25         in mind, those trees are there now, there's nothing


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         2         saying Central Hudson would keep those trees there.

         3                      MR. OLSON:  Is there a scheduled date

         4         for that meeting?

         5                      MR. PROFACI:  I'm in agreement with

         6         Ken.  If you can put it in the back, I'd like to see

         7         it in the back if there's anyway to do it.

         8                      MR. HINES:  Our meeting's typically the

         9         last Tuesday of the month.

        10                      MR. GARLING:  The meeting would be the

        11         27th.  We'll send you a notice tomorrow.

        12                      MR. OLSON:  Okay.

        13                      MR. DONNELLY:  John, my notes indicate

        14         that you issued a Notice of Intent to serve as Lead

        15         Agency which was the last appearance in March.  I'm

        16         sure no one has challenged that status.  You may

        17         wish to vote on that.  This had the coordinated

        18         review.

        19                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Right, on 3/31.

        20         Okay.  I move for a motion from the board to

        21         acknowledge the fact of the intent.

        22                      MR. DONNELLY:  That you have now

        23         finalized Lead Agency.

        24                      MR. PROFACI:  So moved.

        25                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Second.


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         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

         3         Joe and a second by Ed.  I'd ask for roll call vote

         4         starting with Frank.

         5                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

         6                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

         7                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

         8                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

         9                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

        10                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Myself, yes.  So

        11         carried.

        12                      (Time noted:  8:35 p.m.)

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             TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD

             NEWBURGH, NEW YORK

             ------------------------------X
             In Re:

             BOARD BUSINESS
             ------------------------------X


                                          Thursday - 8:36 p.m.
                                          September 8, 2005
                                          1496 Route 300
                                          Newburgh, New York


             B E F O R E:


                          TOWN OF NEWBURGH PLANNING BOARD


             PRESENT:


                     JOHN P. EWASUTYN, Chairman
                     KENNETH MENNERICH, Board Member
                     EDWARD T. O'DONNELL, Jr., Board Member
                     CLIFFORD C. BROWNE, Board Member
                     FRANK S. GALLI, Board Member
                     JOSEPH E. PROFACI, Board Member
                     NORMA A. JACOBSEN, Planning Board Secretary
                     EDWIN GARLING, Planning Consultant
                     BRYANT COCKS, Garling Associates
                     PATRICK HINES, Engineering Consultant
                     MICHAEL H. DONNELLY, ESQ., Planning Board Attorney
                     KAREN ARENT, Landscape Consultant





                                 COVENANT REPORTING
                           Certified Shorthand Reporting
                              Newburgh, New York 12550
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         1                        BOARD BUSINESS

         2                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  These are all

         3         reminders.  On the 19th, which is a Monday, the Town

         4         Board is having a public hearing on the

         5         comprehensive GEIS.  You all received copies of

         6         that.

         7                      The Orange County Municipal Planning

         8         Federation has their advanced course in planning and

         9         land use on the dates noted, if anyone is

        10         interested, let Norma know.  We have money in our

        11         budget for that.

        12                      Ken, you want to add to that?

        13                      MR. MENNERICH:  If you haven't seen the

        14         flyer, take a look at it, it looks like there's a

        15         real good content in these courses and it would be

        16         very useful for your planning board work here.

        17                      MS. JACOBSEN:  John, can I make a

        18         recommendation?  What happened with the last time,

        19         if everybody makes their own reservation and pays

        20         for it, we'll refund as soon as they've paid for it.

        21                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay, fine.

        22                      MRS. JACOBSEN:  That way we won't be

        23         putting out the seven people and two people

        24         attending.

        25                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Okay.  So those who


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         1                        BOARD BUSINESS

         2         are interested, you will be refunded the enrollment

         3         course of that class.

         4                      And a reminder on the 24th, that's a

         5         Saturday, at 8:30 a.m., we're having our quarterly

         6         site inspection.  Anyone have anything they want to

         7         bring up?  Okay.  That being the case, I move for a

         8         motion to close the planning board meeting of the

         9         8th of September.

        10                      MR. GALLI:  So moved.

        11                      MR. MENNERICH:  Second.

        12                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  I have a motion by

        13         Frank and I have a second by Ken.  I'll ask for roll

        14         call vote starting with Frank.

        15                      MR. GALLI:  Aye.

        16                      MR. BROWNE:  Aye.

        17                      MR. MENNERICH:  Aye.

        18                      MR. O'DONNELL:  Aye.

        19                      MR. PROFACI:  Aye.

        20                      CHAIRMAN EWASUTYN:  Aye.

        21                      (Time noted:  8:39 p.m.)

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                                I, Charlene Koehler, a Certified

                       Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public do hereby

                       CERTIFY that I recorded stenographically the

                       proceedings herein, at the time and place noted

                       in the heading hereof, and that the foregoing is

                       an accurate and complete transcript of same, to

                       the best of my knowledge and belief.




                                         ___________________________
                                         Charlene Koehler



                   Dated:  September 28, 2005